he asked why we have them over for dinner....we are not disfellowshiped just faded away so we can still have dinner with witness friends now we have known for 10 years.
alot of "faders" do same.
you might listen to afew dumb scriptures from them but still friends..
Its hard to walk away from friendships but I found that over time, the hardcore JW friends I had couldn't handle any doubt cast on their beliefs and it was easier to part ways.
Do you find it hard to find common ground - can you be yourself , or do you have to continually watch what you say?
i became aware of jws and the un ,so i checked the internet and found it was true that they were a member, and that led me down the rabbits hole and started to look into the history of the bible students and the behaviour of russell and rutherford etc ,and how much the teaching changed and the internal politics and the failed end of the world teachings etc.. i then found myself in a no man's land regarding god and the bible, i then began to use critical thinking regarding the bible and if there was a god , looking into the origins of the bible and it's stories eg adam and eve story, flood legends, exodus from egypt and if the jesus story was historical or not etc .. looking at the origin of our universe and the planet earth led me to the conclusion that no god exists.
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the purpose of this topic is just to understand your deconstruction purpose from the jws and not to get into arguments about our now held beliefs or lack of.
Not long ago, ignorance of any church doctrine and the subsequent belief system was probably an understandable excuse for staying a believer. However, any claims that religions make now takes just minutes to verify with an internet search, whereas it used to take months or years.
Not only that, websites like this allow us all to have a back and forth discussion in real time without waiting for delays in correspondence. Members can cite useful references - all of this saves time. There is no more hiding - extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.
There are good reasons that JW's dont like to debate, they are too scared to research any of their deeply held beliefs and this leaves them at a disadvantage. They are forced to lie to themselves and each other in order to maintain loyalty.
Just after 1995, I was at a public talk on a Sunday morning in my early 20's and I was already skeptical. A brother gave a talk about the 7 times (yawn), and used both solar years and lunar years interchangeably to arrive at 1914. I realised then they were making it all up.
simply put; gullible people were told if they chose life on earth instead of heaven, they wouldn't have to die.
that's how they sold it.
the watchtower lied to people in the 1920 booklet and convention series titled "millions now living will never die!
JoeyJoJo,
A man walked out of a tomb, and predicted before he died that he would raise himself from the dead. Then he did it. Nothing has been the same since. He said that if you trust him, you will walk out of your own tomb. It's that simple. Very easy to understand even if you don't believe it.
If you can present anything that can compare to that, let's hear it. Whatcha got?
Ok - ill give it a shot.
A man without a body rolled into a bar - he was only a head.
He said to the bartender - "do you play darts here?" The bartender says "sure".
The man said, "well put a dart in my mouth -feathers first".
"Right - now throw the fucking board at me!"
the universe came into being 13.8 billion years ago in the big bang.
after an initial flash, it went through a period known as the cosmic dark ages.
according to a new study, probing cosmic dawn, 250 to 350 million years after the big bang the first stars emerged bringing light to the cosmos.
Rattigan350
I don't know what you all are talking about here. But
Gen 1:1. In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth.
BANG.
That is the big bang where matter was created from nothing and the stars were created and then the planets.
If you read Gen 1:1 carefully, it doesnt say this at all. The stars, sun and moon didnt exist until the 4th day - the day after vegetation was created.
Incidently light was created before the sun, which is interesting to say the least. Not sure where the light came from - it doesnt exist independantly of stars as far as I know.
simply put; gullible people were told if they chose life on earth instead of heaven, they wouldn't have to die.
that's how they sold it.
the watchtower lied to people in the 1920 booklet and convention series titled "millions now living will never die!
I am curious how anyone that was once a JW could fall wholeheartedly for another belief system that is every bit as questionable as the first one.
After any time spent as a JW, you should be able smell bullshit propaganda and mind control a mile away.
Its like swallowing the blue pill all over again.
(matthew 24:36) “concerning that day and hour nobody knows, neither the angels of the heavens nor the son, but only the father.".
(jesus seems to have forgotten to include the holy spirit not knowing either).
(acts 1:7) "he said to them: “it does not belong to you to know the times or seasons that the father has placed in his own jurisdiction.".
I dont understand the charts - so Im taking it slow....
the universe came into being 13.8 billion years ago in the big bang.
after an initial flash, it went through a period known as the cosmic dark ages.
according to a new study, probing cosmic dawn, 250 to 350 million years after the big bang the first stars emerged bringing light to the cosmos.
There is a theory that our universe may exist in a black hole.
things are moving right along.
“israel” has gone to war with iran.. who is fooled?.
this is uncle sam, same as in ukraine.. daniel layed out clearly the events of “d day” june 6, 1944 as the “ships of kittim” would sail against the king of the north.
Trump is unhappy because Israel threw everything they had at Iran right up until the last minute, instead of pulling out like he asked them to.
(matthew 24:36) “concerning that day and hour nobody knows, neither the angels of the heavens nor the son, but only the father.".
(jesus seems to have forgotten to include the holy spirit not knowing either).
(acts 1:7) "he said to them: “it does not belong to you to know the times or seasons that the father has placed in his own jurisdiction.".
Walls of text by aqwsed and charts by Seabreeze. Must be another trinity post.
things are moving right along.
“israel” has gone to war with iran.. who is fooled?.
this is uncle sam, same as in ukraine.. daniel layed out clearly the events of “d day” june 6, 1944 as the “ships of kittim” would sail against the king of the north.
Journeyman makes good points. Some people seem to think that if you drop a few bombs, then it's problem solved - game over.
These kinds of actions breed hatred-fuelled revenge. Iran is set back for now - maybe. What about in a year or two from now? Is it rinse and repeat?
