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  Snakes had legs until Eden curse! Watchtower 1880 till 1974!!!

  by Witness 007 in

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  often flicking through watchtower bound volumes i would see pictures of eden which shows the snake in the tree of knowledge with legs??

  even the photo drama of creation shows a snake with legs.. watchtower 1964 p.352 "genisis 3;14 {snake}on your belly you will go and dust you shall eat...before god curse it the snake had legs, that elivated it above the ground...god transformed it's body so that it ceased to have legs and was able to move on it's belly.".

  god's eternal purpose 1974 "god did not put a curse on the whole serpent family...it had only been victimized by satan.. forrest gump watchtower science is price-less!.

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  joey jojo

  Egyptian god Nehebkau:

  
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  Toasting

  by hoser in

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  when did the jws make the rule that you couldn’t clink glasses together and raise glasses of wine?.

  and why the change to being a conscience matter now?.

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  Here's a toast to all of us that have been at events where someone raised a glass and said "CHEERS", and we sat there and didnt join in.

  
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  Name changing - why?

  by Primrose in

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  my name keeps changing from hotb and posts under the name primrose.

  can you advise why and what i can do about it please?.

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  joey jojo

  Im not an expert but you could try clearing your browsing cache and history and disabling extensions to test it.

  If it is server side and not client side it could be a weird misconfiguration that associates HOTB with Primrose. Could be something to do with cookie session management, among other things.

  Didnt this site get upgraded recently? Something may have happened during that process.
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  Name changing - why?

  by Primrose in

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  my name keeps changing from hotb and posts under the name primrose.

  can you advise why and what i can do about it please?.

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  joey jojo

  deja vu?

  Didnt someone already ask this?
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  Toasting

  by hoser in

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  when did the jws make the rule that you couldn’t clink glasses together and raise glasses of wine?.

  and why the change to being a conscience matter now?.

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  joey jojo

  Latest broadcast if anyone wants to watch it.

  The old claim was that toasting had religious roots. This topic has no doubt been discussed here at some stage.

  I always thought toasting originated from two people pouring a part of their drink into each other's cup as a sign of trust that nothing was poisoned.
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  The Big Beautiful Bill giving birth to the OPPORTUNITY of Trump Wealthy Babies.

  by liam in

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  i have lots of friends who had a new born this year, and they are excited as hell that they have an opportunity to give their children something they themselves didn’t get because their parents were hard-core jehovah's witnesses who refuse to support them in getting a better education to live a better life.. not only will they not raise their children as jehovah's witness, but they now have the opportunity to give their children a better life.

  all my friends are still young, under 24, so they still have time, .

  the "one big beautiful bill" includes a provision for "trump accounts," which will provide a one-time government contribution of $1,000 for every child born between january 1, 2025, and december 31, 2028. parents can also contribute up to $5,000 per year to these accounts.

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  $46 billion for a wall on the Mexican border.

  I thought Mexico was supposed to be paying for that?
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  "Slimboyfat" response why I have Witnesses for dinner.

  by Witness 007 in

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  he asked why we have them over for dinner....we are not disfellowshiped just faded away so we can still have dinner with witness friends now we have known for 10 years.

  alot of "faders" do same.

  you might listen to afew dumb scriptures from them but still friends..

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  Its hard to walk away from friendships but I found that over time, the hardcore JW friends I had couldn't handle any doubt cast on their beliefs and it was easier to part ways.

  Do you find it hard to find common ground - can you be yourself , or do you have to continually watch what you say?
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  What was your deconstruction process from being a jw?

  by Touchofgrey in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i became aware of jws and the un ,so i checked the internet and found it was true that they were a member, and that led me down the rabbits hole and started to look into the history of the bible students and the behaviour of russell and rutherford etc ,and how much the teaching changed and the internal politics and the failed end of the world teachings etc.. i then found myself in a no man's land regarding god and the bible, i then began to use critical thinking regarding the bible and if there was a god , looking into the origins of the bible and it's stories eg adam and eve story, flood legends, exodus from egypt and if the jesus story was historical or not etc .. looking at the origin of our universe and the planet earth led me to the conclusion that no god exists.

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  the purpose of this topic is just to understand your deconstruction purpose from the jws and not to get into arguments about our now held beliefs or lack of.

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  joey jojo

  Not long ago, ignorance of any church doctrine and the subsequent belief system was probably an understandable excuse for staying a believer. However, any claims that religions make now takes just minutes to verify with an internet search, whereas it used to take months or years.

  Not only that, websites like this allow us all to have a back and forth discussion in real time without waiting for delays in correspondence. Members can cite useful references - all of this saves time. There is no more hiding - extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.

  There are good reasons that JW's dont like to debate, they are too scared to research any of their deeply held beliefs and this leaves them at a disadvantage. They are forced to lie to themselves and each other in order to maintain loyalty.

  Just after 1995, I was at a public talk on a Sunday morning in my early 20's and I was already skeptical. A brother gave a talk about the 7 times (yawn), and used both solar years and lunar years interchangeably to arrive at 1914. I realised then they were making it all up.
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  How Did Watchtower Sell the "Jonadab" Concept ?

  by Sea Breeze in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  simply put; gullible people were told if they chose life on earth instead of heaven, they wouldn't have to die.

  that's how they sold it.

  the watchtower lied to people in the 1920 booklet and convention series titled "millions now living will never die!

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  joey jojo

  JoeyJoJo,

  A man walked out of a tomb, and predicted before he died that he would raise himself from the dead. Then he did it. Nothing has been the same since. He said that if you trust him, you will walk out of your own tomb. It's that simple. Very easy to understand even if you don't believe it.
  
  If you can present anything that can compare to that, let's hear it. Whatcha got?

  Ok - ill give it a shot.

  A man without a body rolled into a bar - he was only a head.

  He said to the bartender - "do you play darts here?" The bartender says "sure".

  The man said, "well put a dart in my mouth -feathers first".

  "Right - now throw the fucking board at me!"
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  Then there was light.

  by Earnest in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  the universe came into being 13.8 billion years ago in the big bang.

  after an initial flash, it went through a period known as the cosmic dark ages.

  according to a new study, probing cosmic dawn, 250 to 350 million years after the big bang the first stars emerged bringing light to the cosmos.

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  joey jojo

  Rattigan350
  I don't know what you all are talking about here. But
  Gen 1:1. In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth.
  BANG.
  That is the big bang where matter was created from nothing and the stars were created and then the planets.

  If you read Gen 1:1 carefully, it doesnt say this at all. The stars, sun and moon didnt exist until the 4th day - the day after vegetation was created.

  Incidently light was created before the sun, which is interesting to say the least. Not sure where the light came from - it doesnt exist independantly of stars as far as I know.